[iw] - more on .. Fwd: Sony Wins Pirate Site Blocking Order Against DNS-Resolver Quad9

Richard Forno rforno at infowarrior.org
Fri Jun 25 07:59:24 EDT 2021



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> From: D S Misell <david.misell at icloud.com>
> To: Richard Forno <rforno at infowarrior.org>
> Subject: Fwd: Sony Wins Pirate Site Blocking Order Against DNS-Resolver Quad9
> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 12:35:20 +0100
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> From: Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
> Subject: Re: Sony Wins Pirate Site Blocking Order Against DNS-Resolver Quad9
> Date: 24 June 2021 at 23:44:55 BST
> To: D S Misell <david.misell at icloud.com>, Robert Carolina <Robert.Carolina at rhul.ac.uk>, Immo Hüneke <immo at huneke.co.uk>, Dr Stephen Castell <stephen at castellconsulting.com>, paul Cllr M Smith BA Hons MDipNLP <paulmsmith1975 at gmail.com>, "Winckles, Adrian" <adrian.winckles at anglia.ac.uk>
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> Thanks David.
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> My personal views (and not those of ISOC UK) are that Quad9 has a weak case. Yes, they are a public resolver operator, as my friend and colleague Thomas Rickert says, and if that was solely the case, I'd say they'd have a strong point that they are just serving the DNS in its entirety. But in this case, Quad9 already filters out Malware and Phishing sites. It strengthens the point that I have always said, which is that once you start filtering, demonstrating that this is possible both technologically and legally, you are on a slippery slope, whereas there will always be requests to filter more - and then where to you stop? Do you implement filtering lists based on court orders? Which courts? Do you do it from your own intelligence? Do you block out political speech that you do not agree with? This is a very difficult question that reaches further than a simple technical implementation. The problem is that today, it looks like many, perhaps most, open resolvers are implementing block lists, yet they have become the nemesis of countries that impose a tighter blocking regime on their own country's DNS infrastructure - and the list of cases such as the one below, will increase. Sometimes I wish I had trained as a lawyer. :-)
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> Olivier
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> On 24/06/2021 23:42, D S Misell wrote:
>> Quick intro:
>> Stephen, Rob BCS Law SG Committee
>> Olivier ISOC England Chair
>> Paul BCS LAW SG Chair.
>> Adrian W Forsenics Chair
>> Immo Bcs SPA chair.
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>> should we have a view on this ruling?
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